From 16.45 you will be able to follow the 2nd Dutch stallion competition live at Clipmyhorse.
Again this time with very interesting field including among other Jameson RS2, Glock´s Taminiau, Le Formidable, Lantanas, Las Vegas, Blue Hors Monte Carlo and My Blue Hors Santiano.
Here you find the start list.
Nanna Merrald - Photo: H2R/Christine Prip
Grand Prix horses
A lot of riders struggling to find the buttons and to build up the relationship with “new” horses produced by former riders.
Nanna Merrald just look as if she’s got that special magic feeling being able to take over the reins and within quite a short time the horses performs like it was her own produced horses - Nanna is a highly skilled rider bringing a very special empathy into her riding of each individual horse.
First she took over the ride of Blue Hors Zack former successful under Daniel Bachmann Andersen. With Zack she actually entered her first international show back in Februar 2021 with two victories at Le Mans.
Atterupgaards Orthilia she took over from Agnete Kirk Thinggaard and she was former fully educated by British Fiona Bigwood. With Orthilia she made her first appearance back in January 2021 and they recently raised the bars being second at World Cup qualifier in Lyon very close to the winner Isabell Werth (and from many sides Tille and Nanna were winners).
Two “new” horses
This weekend with yet another two “new” Grand Prix horses, 12 year old stallion Blue Hors Zatchmo and 13 year old Blue Hors Don Olymbrio.
Exactly two years ago Agnete Kirk Thinggaard made international debut together with Blue Hors Zatchmo and now this weekend Nanna showed him for the first time with an impressive performance rewarded with 76,733%.
And then entering the international scene with double +75% debut victories with Blue Hors Don Olymbrio former educated and successfully ridden by Daniel Bachmann Andersen and for a shorter period ridden by Agnete Kirk Thinggaard.
Nanna does what hardly no one is able to but everyone dreaming about when taking over the ride of a fully educated Grand Prix horse - to be able to continue a successful path and develop together with the horse into an even higher level.
Blue Hors Zatchmo national debut Grand Prix winner 76,733% - full test
Blue Hors Don Olymbrio international debut Grand Prix winner 75,217% - full test
Blue Hors Farrell national intermediaire I victory 76,798% - full test
Atterupgaards Delorean & Selina Vittinghus with a helpful Matthias Rath placed 3rd - photo: H2R
Super international debut qualities
Danish Warmblood top mare Atterupgaards Delorean (born 2013) by Bon Bravour / Sandro Hit and Selina Vittinghus did their first ever international small tour competitions this weekend.
Friday with 72,765% victory in the Prix St. Georg with very small margin to Danish Anders Hoeck with Blue Hors Zwobber 72,735% and with Germany´s Matthias Alexander Rath and Thiago GS placed 3rd with 72,529%.
During the price giving Rath was showing himself as a true gentleman leading Delorean as she was a bit over excited during the national anthem.
Enjoy their Prix St. Georg performance here below.
In the big tour Australian Lyndal Oatley and her beautiful Elvive by Tushinski / Blue Hors Don Schufro performed their debut Grand Prix freestyle with lots of qualities.
As Lyndal told they are still very green together at competitions and it´s still about timing for the warm up, getting into a new indoor arena and not least getting more experience together at international level, but she was of course very pleased about their freestyle debut which also was with a bit diffrent style of music which suited Elvive perfectly. They scored 76.855% follow by Danish Anna Kasprzak with Rock Star with 75,475% and Swedish Malin Wahlkamp-Nilsson with Amplemento with 72,555%
Watch their freestyle here below.
Diaz by Zaber with Carina Cassøe Krüth - photo: H2R
Blue Hors again open the doors for a combined national and international event. The facilities, footings and arenas are just outstanding and everyone seems to feel comfortable visiting Blue Hors stud with a well organised event.
Danish Olympic riders Carina Cassøe Krüth and Nanna Merrald were in top of yesterday’s competitions at Dressage Festival at Blue Hors
At M-level Carina brought the 7 year old mare Diaz by Zaber by Sezuan/De Niro for the national event. A body wise powerful strong black mare showing the right attitude and not least 3 really good paces. She look like the next top Grand Prix mare for Carina.
They showed a well balanced expressive trot tour. Diaz moves of the ground always with natural forward search and a lovely steady contact with a closed satisfied light foaming mouth. Good walk tour with nice over track and clear rhythm. The canter is powerful and good but showing minor tensions which Carina manage without any technical problems. A clear winner with 75,132% - watch the test here below.
It was just the third event for the talented mare since she was successful at mare grading and elite mare show as 3 year old.
New Grand Prix partners for Nanna Merrald
Blue Hors rider Nanna Merrald already showed her top skills taking over fully educated top horses like Blue Hors Zack and Atterupgaards Orthilia and being able to develop a successful partnership.
Yesterday Nanna succeeded again with two “new” stallions the 12 year old Blue Hors Zatchmo by Blue Hors Zack / Donnerhall and the 13 year old Blue Hors Don Olymbrio by Jazz / Ferro.
Both stallions fits Nanna really well. She showed Zatchmo in the national Grand Prix tour with an effortless test. Overall you could wish for a more open frame and unfortunately Zatchmo still shows his tongue between the front teeth all the way (unfortunately also a “problem” under his former rider Agnete Kirk Thinggaard). Zatchmo is not a big mover but very correct and his great abilities for piaffe/passage and transitions makes him a very interesting future partner for Nanna.
The audience darling Blue Hors Don Olymbrio has been very successful together Daniel Bachmann Andersen finishing 12th at FEI World Ranking 1.11.2019 and only appeared one time under Agnete Kirk Thinggaard before an injury put him on hold.
Yesterday it was a fresh and sparkling Blue Hors Don Olymbrio and together with Nanna they made a very harmonious picture. 75,215% international score also shows that they already made their first steps hopefully into something even bigger for the future.
Right now Nanna is the one to make her own “Danish Team” with now 4 Grand Prix horses.
Blue Hors Zatchmo and Nanna Merrald starting their first Grand Prix test together
Blue Hors Don Olymbrio and Nanna Merrald doing the final centerline
Blue Hors Dressurfestival startede I dag med nationale klasser med Intermediaire II som dagens højeste klasse. Her var det ungrytteren Laura Jarlkvist Rasmussen med hendes nu 18 årige Åtoftens Dornier som vandt klassen. Parret har sammen på ret kort tid fundet knapperne til Inter II niveauet, endnu mangler der dog lidt mere sikkerhed i piaffe turene, men flot trav tur med flot og udtryksfuld passage, rigtig fine pirouetter og gode serie.
Medaljeregn
Aftenen bød på et flot show program hvor årets dressur medaljetagere og OL ekvipagerne blev hyldet.
Nogle af aftenens indslag var bl.a. Nanna Merrald som red Grand Prix programmet på Blue Hors Zatchmo med åben kommentering af international dommer Susanne Baarup, senere viste Nanna og Blue Hors Zack deres OL kür, Daniel Bachmann red mini clinic med 6 års vallak e. Grand Galaxy Win og sidst men ikke mindst blev atleterne hyldet og helt ekstraordinært blev hesteejerne også hyldet - uden dem som stiller hestene til rådighed for de dygtigste ryttere, havde det ikke været muligt at lave de flotte danske resultater konkluderede Blue Hors direktør Ole Magnus Pedersen.
The World Championships for PRE horses celebrates 30 years anniversary this year
SICAB 2021, the International Purebred Spanish Horse Trade Fair is just around the corner. The event is from the 16th to the 21st of November.
It is like when you go to ex. Danish Warmblood stallion licensing, where breeders, stallion owners, riders and horse lovers get together. Your not in doubt that this is the place to be when the PRE horse has got under your skin.
Fibes where the event is held is in the outskirts of Sevilla which is the biggest area of the PRE breeding in Spain. Sevilla itself is a beautiful historic city with all possibilities to feel the Spanish horse life and enjoy the Spanish atmosphere.
There are finals for all ages from 4 year old to Grand Prix. The judges are of course Spanish judges but also with two well known international judges Dutch Francis Verbeek and Finish Maria Colliander are among the judging team.
The entire event will be available to watch via live stream at Clipmyhorse.
Saturday 27 November at 11.00 am Grand Prix
Sunday 28 November at 10.30 am Grand Prix freestyle
Entries
🇩🇪Jessica von Bredow-Werndl / TSF Dalera BB
🇩🇪Isabell Werth
🇩🇰Cathrine Dufour / Bohemian
🇩🇰Carina Cassøe Krüth / Heiline´s Danciera
🇬🇧Charlotte Fry / Dark Legend
🇳🇱Dinja van Liere / Hermés
🇳🇱Hans Peter Minderhoud / Glock´s Dream Boy
🇸🇪Patrik Kittel
🇸🇪Therese Nilshagen / Dante Weltino OLD
🇫🇮Henri Rouste / Kontestro DB
When Westfalen stallion licensing comes up 58 dressage colts are ready.
The video presentations are uniform with same sequences of each stallion and gives a very good overall picture. For the Westfalen licensing and auction you also have the chance to watch the stallions not coming up for sale at subsequent the auction, as more of them also look like future stallions for the breeding.
H2R top favourites:
17 (169 cm)
52 (165 cm)
53 (175 cm)
Also at the H2R “hot” list:
18 (170 cm)
19 (172 cm)
38 (169 cm)
Here you find the entire list of stallions.
Have you checked out the collection for Blue Hors Autumn Auction?
The demand for good quality riding horses has increased during the last couple of years.
Danish Stud Blue Hors does alway have a huge range of horses at different education level and is now for the first time with Blue Hors Autumn Auction offering 12 selected young horses for sale.
If you haven’t already tried out your favourite horses you still have the possibility - just contact the team for an appointment.
Pre-bidding starts Thursday 11 November and the auction takes place Saturday 13 November at 8 pm LIVE at Blue Hors.
As a 4-year-old, the black Westphalian gelding Sir Helmut trotted himself into a nice 2’nd place at the qualifier for the DRF and PAVO young horse championships in dressage with a score of 90.8 points. With a ridability score of 9.3 and a 9.2 in both capacity and trot, there is no doubt that Sir Helmut is a horse for the future with the potential to go all the way!
This long-legged Sir Donnerhall/Benneton Dream-son is bred by Jaqueline Tenambergen, and with his beautiful coat and outstanding markings, Sir Helmut is a unique horse for the sport. This, combined with his high rideability-level and equally high overall quality, makes him a truly functional and talented horse, who we all are eager to watch unfold even further!
The breathtaking, dark-coated gelding; Giccolo, is by the Gribaldi-son Gray Flannel, who is currently active in Grand Prix-dressage under German rider Lena Waldmann. The dam-line behind Giccolo, is led on by Giccolo's mother; the Fürst Piccolo/Landadel-daughter Felicity, who is the product of several main studbook mares and B-horses in dressage. A family tree that really emphasizes the young Giccolo’s huge talent for dressage.
Giccolo is always willing and ready to work and possess elegance, elasticity and quality in all three of his gaits. His trot is extremely spacious and adjustable and his canter is with lots of uphill-tendency, which combined with his personality makes him a high-quality dressage horse.
The Swedish warmblood gelding Vanzetti is a horse that works with great potential and lots of talent. This bay superstar is bred by Niklas Samuelsson and is sired by the Grand Prix-stallion Blue Hors Veneziano, who won Louisdor-Preis as an 8-year old. Vanzetti carries yet another Grand Prix-stallion as his dam-sire in Swedish Rose Mathisen’s top-stallion; Zuidenwind, who was most recently placed as number 4 in a four-starred Grand Prix in Achleiten 2021 with his Japanese rider Akane Kuroki. In third generation is the Hanoverian Premium Stallion Figaro R, who had a glorious breeding career in Sweden and who was also trained for the Grand Prix by Rose Mathisen. With these stallions is his bloodlines, this Veneziano-son for sure carries a lot of implied talent for the sport. Performative bloodlines with lots of Grand Prix; Vanzetti!
Here you find all informations about the auction including how to sign up for online bidding.
38 by Fürst Belissaro / San Remo
6 Premium Stallions
With no 38 by Fürst Belissaro / San Remo this years “Champion” stallion from H2R point of view. Super supple presentations, very well balanced both from movements but also mentally.
No 3 Bon Coeur / Carabas - supple mover, but could wish for a bit more under the gravity push from behind.
No 19 Escamillo / De Niro - super model and active off the ground. For the lunging part he was missing bit more self carriage and balance for the trot.
No 26 Escolar / Sir Donnerhall - lovely balance and rhythm by lunging every step with power and elasticity.
No 32 For Dance / Dagostini - super model with power - presented by Blue Hors and will for the season be available via Landgestüt Warendorf. (Video below)
No 63 Totilas / Danciano - well balanced with good power - missing bit more length on the neck.
Among the huge collection of licensed stallions the well moving and expressive no 27 by Escolar / Sir Donnerhall I likewise no 42 by La Vie / Bretton Woods from Blue Hors was clearly missing among the licensed stallions.
Here you find the full list of stallions.
12 selected horses
For this first edition Blue Hors Autumn Auction 12 young dressage horses has been selected. Among the collection is one licensed stallion and more former approved stallions now gelded and a mare - all horses under saddle at different level with excellent pedigree and qualities.
Check out the collection here.
Try out your new horse
There has already been four different “try out days” and two to come November 6 and November 9. You only have to make an appointment with one of the customer advisors In order to help you finding/trying your favourites before the auction.
Any questions about the horses or the auction feel free to contact the auction team.
The auction will be both live at Blue Hors and live at Clipmyhorse 13 November at 8 pm.
This years OLD licensing will be with full live stream via Clipmyhorse.
H2R highlights from video presentations
Among the 48 candidates H2R picked only 7 really highlights and said that no 66 by Indian Rock / For Romance I / K2 look like the most obvious champion stallion seen for years - a pure World Class stallion 🚀🤩
42 - medium sized powerful supple from behind and over the back with great uphill trend.
48 - What a stunning model! Can’t wait to see more than the outstanding trot.
59 - natural supple mover with an outstanding walk
66 - just pure Champion qualities!
70 - correct and powerful in a medium size.
76 - premium stallion quality.
81 - expressive super mover with very interesting pedigree.
Here you find the entire collection.
The Blue Hors Autumn Auction is here for the first time to rise the excitement in the main arena at the Blue Hors stud. High quality youngsters, the elite of European dressage breeding, several top dressage horses and sport horses will be presented for the live auction on November 13.
Every presentation of one of the twelve spectacular auction horses from the collection of 2021 is something special, making the Blue Hors Autumn Auction a unique venue for the purchase and discovery of tomorrow’s superstars.
To meet the demands and wishes of every customer – our collection offers a wide range of top horses. Bringing everything from undiscovered youngsters, approved stallions and experienced show horses, the Blue Hors Autumn Auction offers a brilliant collection of strictly selected horses with the finest pedigrees, outstanding movements, superb qualities and the talent required for a successful future.
Our twelve extraordinary auction horses can be inspected and tried October 20, October 27, October 30, November 3, November 6 and November 9 after arrangement with our customer advisors.
Our customer advisors can also help you choose the right horse for your ambitions. So, please arrange an individual appointment by telephone with one of them or by filling out our ‘Try Out’ form.
The Blue Hors Autumn Auction takes place both online and live. Although you should not miss out on attending the auction live in the big arena at Blue Hors in Randbøldal, Denmark, we also offer the opportunity of bidding online. Online-bids can be submitted from October 23. The final bid-up will happen live on Saturday, November 13, at 5pm at Blue Hors during our annual Blue Hors Dressage Festival. To bid online, please register at https://auction.bluehors.com/
Source: Blue Hors
“We knew upfront that there was a lot of interest in Guinness and Noire NA. Guinnes, by Glamourdale, is a very striking black stallion who was sold to a Belgian show jumping stable that now also invests in dressage horses. They are now the new owner for not less than €130.000,-. Noire NA, by Painted Black, managed to keep the bidding going the longest and was sold for €80.000,-. Jack, the first horse in the auction was not sold, just as the stallions Depay and Irvin who will also stay in Den Hout. Mabel by Dettori, will go to an English stable and Mistral by Fiamingho will leave for Canada. The other horses have been sold to England and several other horses are sold to Dutch riders.”
Corrections in Bold Italic
For the fifth time in a row, German supremo Isabell Werth won the FEI Dressage World Cup™ 2021/2022 Western European League qualifier in Lyon, France tonight. And she did it with the 16-year-old mare Weihegold OLD with whom she claimed the last three series titles.
Twelfth to go in an exciting 15-strong field filled with many rising stars, the pair earned a score of 84.910 and that couldn’t be beaten. But Denmark’s Nanna Skodborg Merrald and Atterupgaards Orthilia came close when putting a personal-best 83.695 on the board for a test that oozed consistency and class.
This 16-year-old mare, formerly competed by Danish compatriot Agnete Kirk Thinggaard and before that by Great Britain’s Fiona Bigwood and before that again by Denmark’s Cathrine Dufour at Young Rider level, just keeps on giving and, in the hands of this talented 28-year-old Dane continues to thrive in the ring.
New series
Dufour, who has risen to the very top of the game and who won the first leg of the new series last weekend with her 18-year-old super-hero Atterupgaards Cassidy, competed the nine-year-old gelding Vamos Amigos this time around. And the young horse showed remarkable maturity in a test that included lovely passage/piaffe work to take the lead with 81.135 when the action resumed after the halfway break.
That proved good enough for fourth place at the end of the day, behind Werth at the head of affairs, Nanna Skodborg Merrald in second and Germany’s Frederic Wandres who slotted into third when last to go with Duke of Britain FRH.
Wandres has been enjoying a good year, collecting the maximum 20 points for a win at the Central European League leg in Samorin (SVK) in August which, when added to those collected at the first two legs on the Western European circuit, leaves him heading the league table going into the next qualifier in Madrid, Spain in a months’ time.
Currently Dufour lies second on the leaderboard ahead of The Netherlands’ Thamar Zweistra in third and Nanna Skodborg Merrald in fourth place. But there’s a long and winding road leading to the FEI Dressage World Cup™ Final in Leipzig, Germany next April to which the top nine finishers on the Western European leaderboard will be invited.
Defending
Werth earned no points for her win today, as defending champion she is automatically qualified for the Final with a horse of her choice which must have competed in the Freestyle to Music in at least two qualifiers. But it looks like Weihegold won’t be the one fighting that fight in 2022.
The athlete who has collected a mountain of medals during her spectacular career said this evening that she was “super happy” with her horse but “not super happy with my own management! I made a mistake and she was then not as good as she can be!” Her self-criticism is one of the characteristics that has kept her at the very top of the game for so many years, always wanting to do better.
Outlining her plans for the coming months she said she would take Weihegold to the Top Ten dressage final in Stockholm, Sweden in November, and then to Frankfurt in December
"“for what will be her last show, because that’s where it all started!”
Isabell Werth (GER)
It was with Weihegold that her back-to-back run of victories at the Lyon qualifier began in 2016. Riding Emilio she won again in 2017, 2018 and 2019 and today Weihegold showed she can still do all the fancy footwork. The mare’s staggering record includes the FEI Dressage World Cup™ titles in 2017, 2018 and 2019 along with team gold and individual silver at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games and five European gold medals.
Delighted
Meanwhile Nanna Skodborg Merrald was delighted to find herself in runner-up spot today. “I really like the pressure and it’s great to ride in front of an audience again after nearly two years without shows and the public”, said the 28-year-old who, partnering Blue Hors Zack, was a member of the fourth-placed Danish team at the Tokyo 2020 Olympic Games this summer.
Winner Werth agreed with that. “The atmosphere here was great, it felt like we are nearly getting back to normal life, so well done to the Organising Committee for what they have done!”, she said.
And Show Director Sylvie Robert was very happy this evening. “We really suffered with no event for nearly two years, so it is a great achievement to be back and to have the crowd with us again this year!”, she said.
Atterupgaards Orthilia and Nanna Merrald - Copyright ©FEI/Christophe Taniére
Nanna/Orhilia or Werth/Weihegold victory yesterday?
You can actually make some comparisons for the two mares Atterupgaards Orthlilia and Weihegold OLD as both mares are not big really movers but with high lights for the piaffe and passage tours.
When it comes to the details yesterday’s elasticity and regularity of the passage tours were clearly with surplus for Orthilia, also the extensions were in another league for Orthilia, piaffe tours with super sit and obedience and clock work transitions. Even though non of the mares has a strong walk the regularity and balance for Orthilia is obvious while Weihegold is struggling to keep the clear rhythm especially for the collected walk (camera angle from behind) shows that it is not a clear four beat walk.
Harmony and expression is in a league of it own for Atterupgaards Orthilia and Nanna Merrald and winners as also judges at E Francis Verbeek van Rooij (NED) saw the Danish combination yesterday. Judge at C Isabelle Judet (FRA) saw Werth and Merrald equal for the victory.
Issues
Nanna and Orthilia showed a minor error for two times with one change with parallel hind legs, while Isabell and Weihegold showed a weak collected walk tour, change issue at end of canter half passes and error for the one times.
Duke of Britain with Frederic Wandres clearly took advantage from countryman judge at B - Katrina Wüst and also judge at H - Dr. Jean-Michel Roudier (FRA) saw them ahead for Dufour. Might be a good idea to re-view the tests as it was obvious that Dufour was 3rd best in yesterday’s freestyle.
Judge for yourself here below where you can watch both Werth and Merrald tests.
Here you find the entire results.
Ready for the auction?
You still have the chance to sign up for Van Olst Sales auction starting tomorrow Friday 29 October and runs until 1 November.
16 young ridden horses are available among them 3 “Dark Pearls”
This four-year-old gelding stands out for his balance, both in his functional and good gaits and in his character. Sire Fiamingho is a son of the German foundation stallion Fürstenball who is very populair in Oldenburg. The dam of Mistral is the performance mare Santana s. Haarlem who already gave three offspring that jumped 1.30 m or higher. Further in the dam line we see various dressage and jumping horses that are successful in the sport at national and international level.
Another Painted Black offspring in this auction. Now combined with the mare Izzy Lady NA who descends from the very successful combination Lord Leatherdale and Negro. We also see this combination in the Olympic stallion Everdale, World Champion Glamourdale and the Grand Prix stallion Chippendale. The Negro daughter Milady, the great-granddam of Noire NA, is a full sister of the Grand Prix dressage horse Bailey, who is very successful under the saddle of Maxime van der Vlist.
DId you miss this mornings World Cup Short Grand Prix you still have the chance.
Click at the photo here below to start the test.
Move the time line to:
25.00 - Vamos Amigos & Cathrine Dufour
1.25.00 - Atterupgaards Orthilia & Nanna Merrald
2.10.30 - Weihegold OLD & Isabell Werth
Atterupgaards Orthilia with rider Nanna Merrald and trainer Michael Søgaard - photo: private
World Cup short Grand Prix
Lyon is the 2nd leg of this World Cup season and the short Grand Prix test look like a very good choice and suits the World Cup series. It shows the importance of not doing any mistakes as there is no room for catching up later. Even though Werth and Weihegold showed a minor issue for the 2 two times, Werth just manage to “recover” and bring home another victory today.
Frederic Wandres and Duke of Britain showed another very consistent test without any technical issues.
“Podium” for Danish Nanna Merrald and Atterupgaards Orthilia
Blue Hors rider Nanna Merrald and 16 year old Atterupgaard Orthilia showed a really nice test without any technical issues. The overall picture is very harmonious, well balanced and expressive. Since the Europeans the contact has improved a lot and Nanna and Tille has now become a very solid Danish top combination.
Their performance was of course also congratulated by their fans on Facebook, where former owner and Olympic rider Fiona Bigwood wrote “AMAZING!!! well done!!!”
Good halt, well balanced expressive diagonal, nice crossing reach half pass left, lack tiny same quality right, superb halt with rein back, super into passage, clock work regularity, superb into piaffe, SUPER PIAFFE AT THE SPOT, smooth transitions, good relaxation for extended walk need more reach in the neck, super into canter, well balanced zigzag, super 2 times, super quality 1st pirouette, nice 1 times, nice balance 2nd pirouette, good diagonal nice change, super into trot, super final centerline, clear transitions, super halt. 75,342%
World Cup debut for Vamos Amigos and Cathrine Dufour
Lyon was the first very big show for 9 year old Vamos Amigos and he looked very comfortable and relaxed entering the big scene. Unfortunately and error for the zigzag today kept them out of the very top of the field.
Super halt, expressive super balanced diagonal, bit big eye short side, supple half pass left, good transition right superb, bit tense rein back, super passage of the ground, WOW piaffe at the spot active of the ground not tense, superb transitions, super into walk, super relaxed extended walk, super collected walk, nice transition to canter, bit low in the contact and error zigzag, nice 2 times, well balanced 1st pirouettte, super 1 times, nice 2nd pirouette well balanced, good diagonal superb change, nice into trot, superb final centerline, super halt. 73,895%
Here you find the entire results.
The World Cup freestyle is tomorrow at 4 pm.
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